Bible-Quran and Vedas
About Earth Sun and Moon
(A small write up)
https://ramamohanraocheruku.blogspot.com/2018/09/vedas-and-christianity-with-reference.html
With reference to the debate in TV 5 on Vedas and Jesus I heard
Bible does not say earth is flat. I am just quoting the references from Bibles
written\translated by various people and the relevant content therein, without
my commentary.
According to Ethnologue (an annual reference publication in
print and online that provides statistics and other information on the living
languages of the world), there are currently 6909 living languages in the
world. At least one book of Scripture has been translated for 2932 of these
languages. The New Testament is available in 1,333 languages, with portions in
1045. The complete Bible has been translated into 553 languages.
1. EARTH: Read these texts of the chronicles and make your own
inferences
1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that
it never can be shaken.”
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and
himself fixed it fast...”
Shape of the earth:
Isaiah 11:12 — From the four corners of the earth.12 and he
shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of
Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE
EARTH. (King James Version Bible)
Daniel 4:11: 11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height
there of reached unto heaven, and the sight there of to the ENDS OF ALL THE
EARTH: (KJV)
"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be
moved. (From the New International Version Bible, Psalm 104:5)"
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where
it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"
The Vault of Heaven
The vault of heaven is a crucial concept. The word “firmament”
appears in the King James Version of the Old Testament 17 times, and in each
case it is translated from the Hebrew word raqiya, which meant the visible
vault of the sky. The word raqiya comes from riqqua, meaning “beaten out.” In
ancient times, brass objects were either cast in the form required or beaten
into shape on an anvil. A good craftsman could beat a lump of cast brass into a
thin bowl. Thus, Elihu asks Job, “Can you beat out [raqa] the vault of the
skies, as he does, hard as a mirror of cast metal (Job 37:18)?”
Isaiah 45:12, “I, with my own hands, stretched out the heavens
[shamayim Hebrew Language] and caused all their host to shine...”
And so on......
The Quran says the sun revolves around the earth
In another thread I got into a debate with a Muslim about this,
time to write a comprehensive look at all the verse that support the sun
revolving around the earth.
Verse 2:258 ...he said, "I give life and cause death."
Abraham said, "Indeed, Allah brings up the sun from the east, so bring it
up from the west." So the disbeliever was overwhelmed...
Analysis: We can clearly see from this verse that the belief was
that the sun moves not the earth. Else the wording would dictate a challenge
for the believers to rotate the earth in another direction thus causing the sun
to rise from the west. The language of the current state of sun plus the
challenge state that they believed the sun was moving. It clearly says that
Allah literally moves the sun.
Verse 21:33: And it is He who created the night and the day and
the sun and the moon; all in an orbit are swimming.
And He is the One who created the night and the day, and the sun
and the moon; each floating in its own orbit.
Analysis: This verse clearly states the sun is in an orbit and
places it directly in comparison with the moon's orbit. No one with any sense
of self-respect or intellectual honesty would think this verse is not meant to
directly apply an orbit similar to the moon to the sun, the belief was that the
sun moves around the earth in an orbit prescribed by Allah the same as the
moon. There is NOTHING that states anything like the moon revolving around the
earth and the earth then revolving around the sun.
Verse 7:54 ...He covers the night with the day, [another night]
chasing it rapidly; and [He created] the sun, the moon, and the stars,
subjected by His command...
...The night overtakes the day, as it pursues it persistently,
and the sun, the moon, and the stars are committed to serve by His command...
Analysis: here we see that belief that the day and the night are in
equal placement and literally chase each other. This wording makes it appear
almost as if the night and the day are a cylinder literally rotating around the
earth facing inward, still the earth is at the center in this description
otherwise it would point out the night is only the earth’s shadow side facing
from the sun (which it does not describe). This chasing supports the other
verses in that the orbits are believed to be in comparison to one another.
Verse 39:5 ...He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day
over the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its
course] for a specified term...
...He committed the sun and the moon, each running for a finite
period...
Analysis Here again we see the sun being grouped with the moon
being described as having a course and movement, with no distinction as to
reference from earth, making it's meaning clear that the sun is believed to be
revolving around the earth. There is no wording alluding to the earth moving
around the sun nor any complete accurate description of the day and night
(earth’s shadow from the sun)
Verse http://quran.com/91 [91:1]; By the sun and its brightness.
[91:2]: The moon that follows it.
[91:3]: The day that reveals.
[91:4]: The night that covers.
Analysis: We clearly see the beginning subject is the sun in
verse1. Verse 2 supports all the analysis above by saying the moon literally
follows the sun, in an orbit following its course around the earth. We know the
moon does NOT follow the sun. Then verse 3 states the day reveals the sun but
in fact the sun is the cause of the day, the cause of the light. Verse 4 thinks
the night covers the day when in fact the night is just the earth’s shadow from
the sun.
Verse [36:40]: The sun is never to catch up with the moon - the
night and the day never deviate - each of them is floating in its own orbit.
It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the
night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.
Analysis Here the sun and the moon are compared with each other
as though they move in orbits but never allowed to touch each other, in fact someday
the sun will touch the moon... when the sun goes into a red dwarf mode or super
nova. Also the verse closes stating the night and the day are floating in an
orbit too, not true. Again here the sun is believed to be swimming in orbit
around the earth and there is ZERO reference to the earth in relation to
scientifically verified realities.
Conclusion If the Quran was the word of a god it wouldn't have
seemed so confused to the point where it completely loses sight of the reality
of the earth, moon, and sun relation. The above verses clearly show the Quran
was limited to primitive archaic understandings of the sun and moon. Nothing in
the verses alludes to anything that any arabian could deduce from watching the
sky back in the day. I think that about sums that up.
(https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/ij3g2/the_quran_says_the_sun_revolves_around_the_earth/)
Vedas about Earth Sun and Moon
The Rig Veda Mantra says.
Chakraanasah Parreenaham Prithivya Hiranyena Manina Shubhamanaah
Nahinwaa naasasti thirusta indram parisparsa udagaat suryena
This Rigvedic mantra states that the earth is spherical, but at
the same time it is half-light and half dark at the same time. Not only that,
the following verse says, due to the Sun’s gravitational pull earth stays in
the space revolving and rotating round its orbit.
'Savita yantraih prithivi maramnaan askambhave
savitadvamadruhanta'
It would be a mistake to assume that we did not know about the
'telescope' until Galileo invented it in the 17th century. This is explained in detail in the ancient scripture
'Shilpa Samhita'. The description that begins with the following verse makes
this clear.
Manorvaakyam Samaadhaaya Tena Shilpeendra Shaswatah l
Yantram cha kaara Sahasaa drushtartha Dooradarsanam ll
The meaning of all these verses is not only to describe the
process of making a 'telescope' but also to name it 'Turiyantra'.
One mantra in the Rig Veda (1.50) states that the sun travels 2,202 yojanas in half a
minute. The auxiliary (c.1315-1387 AD) interpretation is as follows.
One Yojana = approximately 9 miles according to Artha Shastra.
According to our Puranas
15 minutes (Not the
60seconds minute) = 1 kashta
It is in fat a Nimesha.
30 kashta = 1 kala
30 Kala = 1 Muhurtha
30 muhurtas = 1 day and night
So this minute is equal to the current 16/75 seconds. Multiplied
by this, the speed of light is 185 793.75. Today's science states that it is 1, 86,000. See the proximity of both the calculations.
The diameter of the earth is 7,840 miles, according to
the 3000-year-old ‘Surya
Siddhanta', which was reformed less than 1000 years before Christ. See how close the modern scientific
confirmation is to 7,926.7 miles.
The diameter of the earth is 7,840 miles, according to
the 3000-year-old ‘Surya
Siddhanta', which was reformed less than 1000 years before Christ. See how close the modern scientific
confirmation is to 7,926.7 miles.
The same scripture says that the earth is 2, 53, 000 miles from the
moon, while today's science confirms that the theory of the sun as stated in
the sais scripture that it is 2, 52,710 miles.
1000 years before
Copernicus, Arya Bhata claimed that the terrestrial planets revolved in a fixed
orbit around the sun .
Bhaskaracharya - 1 (5th century) stated that it takes 365.258756484 days for the earth to orbit the Sun.
Bhaskaracharya-2 in his Siddhanta Shiromani (Bhuvana Koshamu-6) 400 years before Newton
described the earth’s gravitational force..
Brahma Gupta in 630 AD described that the gravitational pull of
the earth was as natural as the flow of water into a slump. We read in the text
that this was discovered by Newton in the 17th century.
That is the greatness of our Vedas from which our Scholars
derived all these facts and they never claimed this to be their greatness.
Swasti.
